Life After Law – Roger Barron

Life After Law – Roger Barron

After studying law at Oxford, where I was also a choral scholar, I joined Linklaters. As a trainee, I did a seat in Hong Kong, then six months in Moscow and two years in Singapore as an associate. When I made partner, National Grid was one of my most significant clients, stemming from my time in Singapore; I handled most of their significant deals. I built a practice acting for FTSE 100 and FTSE 250 corporates, a number of German corporates and various media companies. Overall, I had a brilliant, fulfilling career over my 27 years at Linklaters and the next 4 years as Global Vice Chair M&A at Paul Hastings.

After leaving full-time law, I planned to pursue a mix of paid senior advisory roles and voluntary work. When the news of my leaving Paul Hastings was out, Eversheds Sutherland asked if I’d be interested in working with them on a two-year contract. As a senior strategic advisor, my role was to help the firm with its M&A practice and am now thinking about offering similar support to other firms. It was interesting and good fun and they’re doing brilliantly. I’m also a senior advisor to legal recruitment firm Montresor Legal, helping firms and candidates with their strategies and careers, and I’ve been doing ad hoc consulting for former clients.

Some time ago I collaborated with Boris Johnson on the Mayor’s Music Fund, where I was director and trustee of a music education charity providing musical opportunities for underprivileged children in London. The focus wasn’t so much on achieving musical excellence, but rather about helping these kids use music as a tool to increase their confidence, and benefit from all the good things associated with music. I also was on various committees at the Royal Opera House; Sir Simon Robey, when he was global co-head of M&A at Morgan Stanley was also the Chairman of the ROH at that time, and he suggested I get involved, prompting me to join the ROH Advisory Committee and also the Development Committee. I was later asked to join the Board of the London Philharmonic Orchestra (I’m a former violinist) and I now Chair its Advisory Council.

When I was a trainee I dabbled in singing, but I often joke now that I would have been a very hungry singer if I pursued it professionally.

I’m really pleased to be actively involved in music, which has always been a passion of mine. When I was a trainee I kept up the singing, but I often joke now that I would have been a very hungry singer if I pursued it professionally. I know a lot of musicians and I understand the world they are in, to a degree, as I’ve done performances, recordings and tours. When I first joined the London Philharmonic Orchestra it was at a Royal Festival Hall rehearsal – when I introduced myself, I shared that the last time I stood on that stage I was doing a solo as a member of the National Youth Choir. It’s nice to know that rather than just being some bloke in a suit, the players recognise that I understand a bit of what they are about and their world.

Sheffield United are my boyhood football team. Through a connection made at a match, I had the opportunity to meet the CEO and then the Chairman, and I am now Vice President – a sort of senior advisor or non-executive ambassador role. Essentially, I’m part of a small group of people offering support in any which way needed, short of getting my boots on and getting on the pitch. As an ambassador, I go to a lot of the games and do my bit on behalf of the club. Last year in the Premier League was tough but interesting although we’ve made a good start this year. It’s a fascinating role and it’s my team – so there’s something very exciting about that.

I had one boss who essentially said to me ‘don’t ever book anything outside of work because you’ll never be able to make it’, which I thought was quite defeatist. Attitudes among partners towards outside interests vary; they can be frowned upon, or positively encouraged – in that it can make you a better lawyer if you’re sitting on boards and gaining new skills. Also, it’s a valuable networking opportunity; it’s a more organic way of building contacts. So, while there were many times when things were cancelled, or I couldn’t make it, I was always keen to try and keep things up if I could do.

Being a corporate lawyer, and having been in many different managerial positions, I’ve had the opportunity to see so much. Some still say that companies don’t like having lawyers on boards, fearing they will approach matters in too much of a narrow, legalistic way. They argue if legal advice is needed, they can go to their general counsel or external law firms. There are a lot of lawyers who I recognise do fit into that category, but there are many others as well – and I like to think I’m one of them – who can think much more broadly as a commercial advisor.

Many people in law reach the end of their careers without having thought at all about what they want to do afterwards. It’s a massive shock.

Leaving full-time law introduced a bit of uncertainty into my life. I read law at university and then went into a big firm, so I’d grown used to a certain amount of institutional support. So suddenly being essentially self-employed was a shift. However, I found enjoyment in taking the time out to have lots of conversations, pause and think about what I wanted to do. And so I was busy, but just in different ways.

Many people in law reach the end of their careers without having thought at all about what they want to do afterwards. They haven’t built up any hobbies or been on any boards, so then it’s a massive shock because they’ve gone from 100 miles an hour to ‘what now’? I think I was lucky – I had my passions and things I wanted to do. So it wasn’t so much a shock; it was more of a time to pause and choose what felt right for me.

There’s no denying the amount of time that needs to be devoted to the job. That said, I would encourage individuals to identify what they enjoy outside the job and the ways in which they can contribute to broader society. There are a huge number of organisations that need pro bono support; what I have found, particularly in the charity sector, is people recognise that you’re busy and are just grateful for whatever support you can give. A lot of people will not do it because they think they don’t have time, but if you’re upfront with people and give an honest view of the time and support you feel you are able to give, then what you’ll likely find is that they are incredibly grateful.

Law firms should actively encourage their people to get out and engage with the wider community, whether it’s business, charity, arts and culture or sport. This can only enhance your own effectiveness – you learn so much, and can meet a more diverse range of people. On the London Philharmonic Orchestra board, a third of our members are from the orchestra itself, so it’s really interesting to hear their perspective, as opposed to lawyers and bankers etc – it’s just a completely different diversity of thought.

My mantra is ‘can I make a difference, and will it be fun?’ So far, what I have been doing has certainly been fun, and hopefully I’ve been making a difference, and so that will continue to guide me in the next stages.

Life During Law – Simon Levine

Life During Law – Simon Levine

I didn’t grow up with law in my life. I come from a non-professional background and my parents didn’t go to university. When it came to choosing what to study at university, I was passionate about history, but my dad told me a history degree would limit me to teaching. Young and naïve, I took his word and explored other options. Continue reading “Life During Law – Simon Levine”

LB Awards Management Partner of the Year: former A&O chief Wim Dejonghe

LB Awards Management Partner of the Year: former A&O chief Wim Dejonghe

Last Tuesday, former Allen & Overy senior partner Wim Dejonghe was named Management Partner of the Year at the Legal Business Awards, at a glittering ceremony at London’s Grosvenor House Hotel.

Dejonghe signed off from a 23-year career at the magic circle firm in May this year after pushing through the long-awaited, transatlantic merger deal with US firm Shearman & Sterling.

In this Life During Law interview, originally published in the run-up to the transformational deal going live, he looks back on his career at A&O, discussing lessons learned from previous merger talks, his future plans and his views on the ‘unhealthy’ levels of money in law.

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Freshfields’ Mark Sansom on motorsports, email gaffes and competing on the global stage

Freshfields’ Mark Sansom on motorsports, email gaffes and competing on the global stage

I nearly drowned in a river in Wales when I was four. It had been raining a lot and the boulder my brother and I were standing on beside the river toppled into the water. I fell into the river and was held under by a waterfall. My mother, father and a passerby all dived in and managed to find me and bring me to the surface. I learnt to swim right after that and now I still swim several times a week and it’s an important part of my fitness. Continue reading “Freshfields’ Mark Sansom on motorsports, email gaffes and competing on the global stage”

The Client Profile: Gurdeep Boparai, Coventry Building Society

The Client Profile: Gurdeep Boparai, Coventry Building Society

From the age of 10 I knew that I wanted to be a lawyer. The first lawyer I ever met was a close family friend. She had just qualified and spoke so passionately about the work she was doing, Being in and out of court sounded so exciting, the work was varied and fast paced and I knew this was something I wanted to be a part of. At that time the profession was heavily male dominated and having a strong female role model, and someone to aspire to was so important. I went on to do my research and did lots of work experience from the age of 16 in different firms, from local high street practices to larger national, commercial firms. Whilst I realised it wasn’t all glamorous – I was hooked! As I continued throughout my education, it became clearer that law fit my natural skillset and when I went on to do my LPC, it was the collaborative and problem-solving element of the work that interested me. Continue reading “The Client Profile: Gurdeep Boparai, Coventry Building Society”

Life During Law: Scott Hopkins

Life During Law: Scott Hopkins

When I was 18 I left Vancouver to play ice hockey in university in Japan. That got me off on kind of an adventurous track. I grew up dreaming of nothing more than becoming a hockey player. When you try to do that in Canada, you work your way up through the junior leagues. And the junior leagues are tough. You leave home and you go live in a small town, and the hockey team is sort of the centre of life in those towns. You become a minor celebrity. But it’s tough. Not many people make it. There are three levels of junior hockey in Canada, and when you get to the very top level you can be classed as a professional, which means you’re ineligible for university scholarships. I got up close to that level and I had a good look at it and I wasn’t convinced that I was going to make it. I didn’t want to take the risk of dedicating my life to that. So I decided to go for a university education, to at least get something out of all that time playing hockey.

I decided to become a lawyer so I would have more control over my working life than I would have had if I had gone into foreign relations. I did politics as an undergraduate in London. I came to the UK in 1994. As far as I got down the politics line was interning for the Member of the European Parliament who was the special rapporteur for EU-Japan economic relations. I got to spend some time in the circus that is the EU, moving that circus back and forth between Brussels and Strasbourg. It was interesting, certainly. But I just didn’t feel that I could make an impact in that world.

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The Client Profile: Christian Keim, Adobe

The Client Profile: Christian Keim, Adobe

What inspired you to pursue a career in law, and how did you develop an interest in becoming an in-house lawyer?

There are a lot of different elements that came together. One is that I was always interested in mediating when someone was arguing or helping out if I felt like people were not heard or being treated unfairly. What I realised is that I like to create win-win situations, not someone winning and someone losing, but really finding ways that everyone can benefit from the situation. Continue reading “The Client Profile: Christian Keim, Adobe”

Life During Law: Richard Lever

Life During Law: Richard Lever

The Godfather is a great film. Tom Hagen was a bit of an inspiration. There’s that scene where he turns up at the hospital where the Godfather is staying with all these private detectives, and he deals with the police. Then there’s another part where he says: ‘I have a special practice. I handle one client. Now you have my number. I’ll wait for your call.’ That kind of power, that kind of control was inspiring.

I quit studying law after a year. I switched to history and politics because there were a lot of hours in the classroom doing law. After university, I travelled and taught English abroad. My girlfriend at the time wanted to come back to the UK as she had a job lined up as an accountant, so I came back with her. I would have been happy staying a teacher. One of the things I applied for was law school and I ended up doing the conversion course. The rest is history. Continue reading “Life During Law: Richard Lever”